The World's My Oyster. Which I with pen will open.

Quint. 2.4.29-38a

  27, 2017 01:11
 

2.4.29  In fact, it is inevitable for them, when they say the same things in many courts, either that they would arouse the disgust as cold and reheated foods, or that (their) unfruitful utensil (=stock phrase), just as it is worn out chez vain poor people (after having been used) in many and various uses, arouses shame, because memory of listeners has been caught (by it) many times.


2.4.30-1  In addition to this is the fact that there is so hardly any commonplace which could stick to (the real) cases, unless it is tied (to them) with some bond of (=taken from) proper questions.  It is apparent that it (=commonplace) is not so much inserted as applied, either since it is not similar to others (=other passages), or since it generally tends to be taken hardly aptly, not because it is desired, but because it is ready; just as some people summon very wordy themes for the sake of sententiae, while sententia must be born from themes.


2.4.32  T
hus these things are beautiful and useful (only) if they are raised from causes; Otherwise, however beautiful an elocution is, unless it reaches victory (in court), it is certainly unnecessary and at the same time contrary (=not useful).  Let it be sufficient so far indeed to digress.
 

2.4.33  Laudation and vituperation of laws require more abilities, which will be suffice for the highest jobs.  Whether this exercise would be accommodated more in suasoriae or controversiae differs in the customs and the laws of the states.  For, among Greeks, the proposer of laws used to be called to judges; It has been a custom for Romans to persuade and dissuade in front of a meeting.  In either way, a few and almost certain things are said about these things (=laws): for there are three genres, (the genre) of sacred, public, and private law.


2.4.34
  This division pertains to laudation (of laws) more (than its vituperation) if someone goes up this division step by step, “because it is provided as a law,” “as a public law,” and then “as a low for the religion of gods.”  Those things, about which we used to inquire, are common to all (the genres).


2.4.35  For, one is able to doubt either... [1] about the validity of those who are proposing, just as about that of P. Clodius, who was argued to have been chosen as a tribune illegaly; or [2] about the validity of the proposal itself, which is various: A law is said...
  [2-1] not to have been promulgated for three market days perchance;
  [2-2] to have been or to be enforced not on a suitable day, against vito, or against auspices or something which stands against laws;
  [2-3] to contradict something of existing laws.


2.4.36  But these things are not pertaining to the elementary exercises: For they (=exercises) are without embracement of (=not including) persons, times, or cases.
  The remainings are treated almost the same in both real and fictional contests of this kind (=forensic ones).


2.4.37  For, defects are either in words or in things: in words, it is asked whether they (=the words) signify enough or whether there is anything ambiguous in them (=words); in things, whether a law is consistent with itself or whether it must be carried to the past or to individuals.  It is truely the most common to ask whether it would be honourable or useful.


2.4.38  And I don't ignore that more parts (=categories)  are made by most people; However, we include justice, piety, religion, and something similar to them in (the genre) "honourable".


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Quint. 2.4.24-6

  25, 2017 15:10
 
Theses


2.4.24  On the other hand, theses, which are taken from comparison of things ―― for example, "Is rural or urban life better?", "Is honour of those skilled in law or military greater?" ―― , are surprisingly splendid and rich for exercising oratory; They are much helpful both for the job of persuasion and for the discussion of laws: For, the latter theme of those told above was copiously treated by Cicero in the case of Murena.


2.4.25  Almost all of them also are pertaining to the deliberative genre: "Is a wife to be married?", "Is (an office of) magistrate to be sought?"  In fact, once you attach (specific) names, these themes will be suasoriae.


2.4.26  My teachers used to prepare us for conjectural causes by means of a type of exercise not only useful but also pleasing to us; Then they ordered (us) to inquire (=discuss) and examine, "Why is Venus armed in (the temple of) Sparta?", "Why is Cupid believed to be a boy, flying, and armed with arrows and a torch", and so on, in which we investigated the intention, a question of which is frequent in controversiae.  This genre can be seen as a chria.


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Petr. 74.14-7

  24, 2017 23:52

"Thus I wish to have my guardian deity favourable (to me); I will see to it that that Cassandra in military boots would be tamed.

"And I, a diffused man, could have acquired ten million sestertii. You know I'm not telling a lie. Agatho, the perfumer of the mistress next door, took me aside (≠seduced me) and said: "I wish you won't allow your gene to be lost."

"But, as I do well and don't want to be seen a rash man, I myself planted an axe on my leg.

"Truely, I will see to it that you would seek me with fingernails.

"And, so that you would understand of your ill-being, (of) what you have done by yourself:

"Habinna, I don't want that you will put her statue on my monument so that I, being a dead, won't have quarrels (with her).  Moreover, so that she would know that I can do (her) a bad (turn), I don't want that she will kiss me, when I'm dying."




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Petr. 72.1-4

  23, 2017 23:55
 
When Trimalchio said these things, he started crying abundantly.  Fortunata cried, Habinnas cried, and at last all the slaves, as if they were all invited to his funeral, filled the dining room with lamentation.

Moreover, even I began to cry, when Trimalchio said: "Then, though we know we are going to die, why don't we live (=enjoy life)? So I'd like to see you happy; Let's go to the bath together. I'll be responsible; It won't make (you) regret. It is as hot as an oven."

"Well, well," said Habinnas. "I prefer nothing to making two days out of one." He stood up on bare foot and started following Trimalchio, who was clapping his hands.


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3.8-35 Ghost of Julia in Dream

  22, 2017 09:37

3.8-11
Then the faint limbs of the general (=Pompey) got a rest with a soporific sleep; Then Julia, as a ghost full of horrors, was seen to raise her gloomy head through the yawning land and to stand furiously on the burnt pyre.


3.12-9
She said:  "Expelled from Elysian fields and the land of the pious, I was dragged to Stygian shades and criminal ghosts, after (the outbreak of) the Civil War.  I saw the Furies holding the torches which they shook for your arms; The carrier of the burnt Acheron was preparing innumerable ships; Tartara was expanded for many punishments; With their finger hurrying, the Parcae were hardly satisfied with all the works, and the sisters got tired killing threads.


3.20-7
"While I was your wife, Magnus, you led the happy triumphs; (but) Fortune was changed with your marriages; Mistress Cornelia, doomed always to draw down her powerful husbands into destruction, got married on the warm burial mound.  Let her cling to your standards through battles and seas as long as I'm allowed to break your non-secure sleeps; Let there be no free time for the love of you two; Let Caesar occupy your days and Julia your nights.


3.28-35
"O husband, the forgetfulness of the Lethaean bank didn't make me forgetful of you, and the kings of the silent (=the dead) permitted (me) to chase after (you).  I will come into the middle of the ranks when you are waging wars.  Magnus, by shades and by my ghost, you will never be allowed not to be the son-in-law (of my father); You are cutting off your pledge (=the blood relationship) in vain.  The Civil War will make you mine."
Thus having said, the shade (got) dissolved (and) fled an embrace of her frightened husband.

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